EU arguments

One of the problem with arguing with the Pro-EU is that they simply have no arguments.

You can point out the massive democratic deficit in the system. You can show how it will never become a true democracy no matter how much tinkering because there is no demos (and bugger all chance of one forming due to the multitude of different languages). The contempt that democracy is held by those pushing the EU forward is only too obvious. From the fig-leaf parliament where its highly inaccurate show of hands voting system would be a travesty had they actually any power, to the neverendums that happen should the public have the timidity to vote in a way that the EU elites disapprove of. Or simply the way they ignore referenda that produce the 'wrong' results and carrying on anyway.

You can point out that most of what the EU does is shit, like the Common Agriculture Policy or the Common Fisheries Policy. You can tell them that loads of what the EU does is not just shit but completely counter-productive to its stated aims, such as: the Common Agriculture Policy, the Common Fisheries Policy, or enviromental policy.

You can tell them that even the good bit, the common market, come with so much baggage that it turns out to be a large net loser. You can tell them that it is protectionist, corporatist, and a massive source of corporate welfare. A situation that has been known to be crap for a couple of hundred years. Pro-EU people will often describe themselves as liberal and then go on to have to defend the Corn Laws, which is just bizarre.

You can show why if we left their horror stories of millions losing their jobs simply wouldn't happen, and how we would actually be considerably better off. You can prove that the scare stories that they circulated about how the UK economy would collapse because we were not inside the Eurozone were wrong. The UK has actually done better by being outside the Eurozone than the other large countries in it because it is outside it and therefore maintained a floating currency value and interest rates that were right for the UK rather than right for the Eurozone average.

You can explain that federalism does not mean a end to wars. You can point out that the Germans are not Nazis, that germany is constitutionally pacifist and has been making too much money from not having to maintain a large army to have any intention of invading anybody. The only part the the EU and its predecessors played in the only war that might have happened in Europe in the last 50 years was to provide the USA with a way of bribing their allies with other people's money, it was the USA (and their nukes) with NATO that really kept the peace.

In the end a lot of the pro-EU argument often seems to reduce to a nostalgia for empire. Not the British Empire, of course, just any empire that they can get their hands on. "By banding together we will be more powerful" they will say. Try to tell them that power isn't good in itself, that if you are going to shoot yourself in the foot it is better to do it with a peashooter than a shotgun, and you will get the reply but ... but ... but its POWER.